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Since so many people are asking about this, and I have not seen one yet, I thought that starting one common thread about mentoring/apprenticing and appending to it as more information comes in would be good. This is mainly observations at the moment, but I'll clean it up and improve as I gain information. If any of you have any tidbits, please post here, and I'll add it and give you credits.

First off, here's CO's official rules:
http://co.91.com/guide/guides/mentors.shtml

As an aside, to better understand the mentoring scoring, I started looking at other TQ games to see if I could gain further insight. The eudemons and Crazy Tao systems seem to have some similarities with the Conquer system and quite a few thing that don't match, but imo more information is better than none. XD

Crazy Tao Mentor System
http://ct.91.com/guide/features/mentor.shtml

Eudemons Mentor System
http://eo.91.com/informat/mentor.shtml


Second. Potency.
No equation as to how potency is shared between mentor and apprentice exists. I've started experimenting, and am starting to see a pattern.

Until we figure out all the details about calculating the potency share, here are 2 equations that can calculate your potency within 1 point in most cases.

I have two theories right now that can support both situations.
One is in relation to the levels of the mentor versus the apprentice and their rb status. (I hope it's not this one, but I can't throw it away yet.) The other if there is a large potency differential.

((Mentor pot-apprentice pot)/3) + apprentice pot = new apprentice pot
Credits to Endet

((Mentor pot-apprentice pot)/4) + apprentice pot = new apprentice pot
Multiple credits. (Note to self need to add actual names.)


Note: If your mentor is an apprentice as well, the extra pot gained from that mentor does not transfer/calculate/figure into the potency calculation.


Third. Experience Gain.
It's definitely subject to the level of the apprentice and that the apprentice must get the exp on their own. Also, the higher the level, the higher the exp ball credits you gain.

The mentor will not gain experience if:
1) The apprentice is just plvling or whenever they get team exp.
2) If they are leveling leveling in TG. Credits to Toraz & Deathsbane for this info. I have confirmed this as well.

The mentor will gain experience if:
1) The apprentice uses an exp ball. Credits to Deathsbane for this info.
2) Whenever the apprentice is leveling on their own.
3) You do the demonhunter 120+ quest. Credits to ~DTC~ for this info. When the char cashed in for the 5 exp balls, the mentor got 0.5 exp ball points.

Note: It appears that mentors gain experience from apprentices even though they are not online, while apprentices only gain potency if the mentor is online. Credits to Tide. for this information.

The mentor will also gain experience from their apprentice's apprentice at a rate of 1/10. For example if you have a mentor and you have an apprentice, if your apprentice gives you 0.1 exp balls of credit, your mentor will get 0.01 exp balls. This applies to levels 120+.

For reference purposes here is the expball % Gained/Level Guide (it has missing data still)
http://bbs.conqueronline.com/showthr...hreadid=351736

and

the exp per level list
http://bbs.conqueronline.com/showthread.php?t=409036



I've made all the warriors I'm farming apprentices to my main, and I'll be experimenting over the next few weeks and post my results.

For example:
Going from lvls 113 to 116 my main got 4.59 exp balls of exp.

Preliminary Equations to calculate how many exp balls a mentor gets:
Here is my preliminary results as to how many exp balls you get from 1-120. (I still have some very minor rounding errors, but I'm, not going to worry about it too much)

LEVEL 1-120

exp ball.doc

Based on exp gain.
x=Apprentice exp gained
y=25,200,000 exp constant
Mentor exp balls = ((x/y)0.8)/10

There are two equations that I use to calculate how you gain exp above level 120.

EQUATION #1:
Based on if you use exp balls or do quests that give your exp ball equivalents.

Mentor exp balls = apprentice exp ball/10
This equation seems to be fairly accurate for levels 120+.

EQUATION #2
Based on exp gain. (Preliminary might need a lot more tweaking.)
x=Apprentice exp gained
y=25,200,000 exp constant (I'll likely need to fine tune this number, but it appears to work for mentor chars in the range of lvl 126 to 130.)
Mentor exp balls = ((x/y)0.8)/10


Fourth + stone points
The site says that you gain points from your apprentices finding +1 items.

NOTE: If an apprentice of yours gets a +1 drop, you and your mentor will get 0.01 stone points!

Current theory:
Somehow the server knows when a +1 is dropped and gives you credit for it w/o picking it up... (I thought that +'s were not determined though until you picked them up...)

It looks like this is the theory. Based on information I got from ImotepFaith. They mentored their archer under a water tao. By scanning the mentor window, whenever they saw the points go up, they picked up everything in sight. Out of the four times they did it, they got 4 +1 items. I have tried this as well and it works great. This of course works best when you are hunting in small areas, since BI is a veritable minefield of items....

Fifth: Bless time.

This one seems like there is only one way to get it, and that is if your apprentice uses a bless stone.

Currently proven that a small bless stone which gives 3 days heaven's blessing to the user will give 3 hours to the mentor. Credits to Toraz for this information.
Currently proven that a medium bless stone, which gives 7 days heaven's blessing to the user will give 8 hours to the mentor. Credits to auwana for this information.
Currently proven that a large bless stone, which gives 30 days heaven's blessing to the user will give 36 hours to the mentor. Credits to Endet for this information.

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[~Lord*Zero~]

I also made my own noobs my mains apprentices. I've been sitting in pkjail for 3 days and have gained roughly 90pct exp, 119-55pct to 120-47pct, its better than 2nd rb leveling. lmfao

I've currently gained:
90pct give or take a few pct
.36 in +ings
.00 in blessings

So yeah, goodluck mate.

[Endet]

Good luck with this. I'm checking around also how mentor system works so I might be able to help out.

The exp and +1 stone thing is wierd if you don't have apprentices.. My trojan has gotten 0,19 exp balls without having anyone as apprentice, just been in TG and 0,06 +1 stones also. Might be really hard to figure out how things work.

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Originally Posted by ~Lord*Zero~

I also made my own noobs my mains apprentices. I've been sitting in pkjail for 3 days and have gained roughly 90pct exp, 119-55pct to 120-47pct, its better than 2nd rb leveling. lmfao

I've currently gained:
90pct give or take a few pct
.36 in +ings
.00 in blessings

So yeah, goodluck mate.

Originally Posted by Endet

Good luck with this. I'm checking around also how mentor system works so I might be able to help out.

The exp and +1 stone thing is wierd if you don't have apprentices.. My trojan has gotten 0,19 exp balls without having anyone as apprentice, just been in TG and 0,06 +1 stones also. Might be really hard to figure out how things work.

Looks like figuring the + stones will be difficult then.

I guess I'll start trying to figure out what doesn't count then to pare it down, but that will take more time...

[Endet]

I bet +1/2/3/4 etc. stones wont affect it.. But atleast +1 items picked up do, thats for sure. Btw I might have a answer to your question.. Does your apprentices have apprentices? That way I atleast got my 1st +1 stone points on my water tao.

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Originally Posted by Endet

I bet +1/2/3/4 etc. stones wont affect it.. But atleast +1 items picked up do, thats for sure. Btw I might have a answer to your question.. Does your apprentices have apprentices? That way I atleast got my 1st +1 stone points on my water tao.

No. It's just my farmed warrs attached to my main, so my points are still a mystery. My two main theories are levels above 110 and finding items of quality, but my points should be higher than that if it was a straight 0.01 for each item I've found + all the levels I've gone up.

I've heard about your case for a student of a student. I wonder how large the mentor/student tree can be... ...and still have it work.

There are definitely more answers than questions at the moment.

[Rashon.]

It's weird for me since I've had an apprentice since he was level 55. Now he's level 72 and I still haven't gotten anything from him. Any thoughts?

[Dralic]

I wonder when the +1 item that the apprentice pick up is added to the mentor's reward. I mean is it when the apprentice pick up the item or when it drops from the monster? It would be so stupid to be able to drop over and over the same +1 and to gain credits for it or simply to buy +1 bags, open them and sell the stones for the equivalent price. I believe TQ did think about it but it can be interesting to test out.

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Originally Posted by Rashon.

It's weird for me since I've had an apprentice since he was level 55. Now he's level 72 and I still haven't gotten anything from him. Any thoughts?

Did you plvl them? Team/plvl points don't count. They need to level on their own.

Originally Posted by Dralic

I wonder when the +1 item that the apprentice pick up is added to the mentor's reward. I mean is it when the apprentice pick up the item or when it drops from the monster? It would be so stupid to be able to drop over and over the same +1 and to gain credits for it or simply to buy +1 bags, open them and sell the stones for the equivalent price. I believe TQ did think about it but it can be interesting to test out.

Hmmm good points.

As for item drops from mobs, I thought that the server decided an item was +1 only after it was picked up. Maybe I've had 3 +1 drops and just missed them, which is quite possible since I was leveling in lab 3 and I really don't stop to pick up items.

[Fandabidozi]

From my obervations so far the mentor potency bonus is the difference in potency divided by seven, give or take some rounding. I've onyl done this with non-reborns though so I don't know if there are other factors. Hope this helps.

[Toraz]

I now have 3 hours of bless time after my friend and apprentice Sonya used a small pray stone.

BTW Sonya is a 2nd rb and I thought from the rules I woun't get any anything from her..but I'm over 2 xp balls and 0.07 of a +1 stone


Placed one of my apprentices in tg and I'm getting nothing from him.